Emphasis mine). Thank you! The sense is that apart from all we can do, it is ultimately by the grace of Christ that we are saved. The ancient prophets of this western continent have clearly set forth in understandable language the obligation of each individual to obtain the highest of these eternal privileges in mortality and in the world to come, for here we find written: ‘For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ . According to Reynolds and Sjodahl, Babylon was one of the great cities of the ancient world, perhaps the greatest. 366-367). The House of Israel will be redeemed in the Millenial day. In a first section, I highlight a number of ambiguities in Nephi's words that have not been sufficiently noted. Many Mormons (like the missionary described at the beginning of this article) may want to soften the stringent requirements demanded by the teachings of their scriptures and leaders. (25) 2 Nephi 25:23 – A comment. Behind in place; as, men placed in a line one after another. 2 Nephi 2. Keep the commandments of God or perish. After quoting thirteen consecutive chapters of Isaiah's writings in 2 Nephi 12-24 (Isaiah 2-14), Nephi begins to prophesy "in plainness." All the pain and travail of previous generations will be turned to joy. “We are saved by grace according to all we can do”—even if this fit, it still would contradict Robinson’s interpretation. It denotes logical separateness rather than temporal sequence. No matter how hard we work, how diligently we serve, or how righteously we live, we will never deserve more than we receive (p. 311). . “After all we can do” means clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, visiting the sick and giving “succor [to] those who stand in need of [our] succor” (Mosiah 4:15)—remembering that what we do unto one of the least of God’s children, we do unto Him (see Matthew 25:34-40; D&C 42:38). According to the English dictionary contemporary with Joseph Smith and the production of the Book of Mormon, the meaning of “after” as a preposition has the following meanings: After I have arisen, I will go before you into Galilee. But a certain amount of works (i.e., the best we have to offer) are necessary to trigger God’s grace and mercy. BYU Professor Stephen Robinson explained, “At first glance at this scripture, we might think that grace is offered to us only chronologically after we have completed doing all we can do, but this is demonstrably false.” In a first section, I highlight a number of ambiguities in Nephi's words that have not been sufficiently noted. In the Old and New Testaments most of the people of Israel failed to understand and properly observe the law of Moses, which had been given to help them learn about Christ and come unto Him. All of the principles of the gospel are principles of promise by which the plans of the Almighty are unfolded to us” “All we have to do in order to be prepared to enter the presence of the Lord is to forsake our sins, come unto Him, call on His name, obey His voice, and keep His commandments; then we shall be able to see His face and to know that He is” (Harold B. Lee, Stand Ye in Holy Places: Selected Sermons and Writings of President Harold B. Lee, p. 246) See also Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Harold B. Lee, p. 24). 2 Nephi 25:23 after all we can do “At first glance at this scripture (2 Ne 25:23), we might think that grace is offered to us only chronologically after we have completed doing all we can do, but this is demonstrably false, for we have already received many manifestations of God’s grace before we even come to this point. !” I asked if he could recite it for me and he had trouble. 2 Nephi 25:2 Nephi admits that he has avoided teaching his people many things about the life among the Jews in Jerusalem – because of the wicked lifestyle of that culture. At first glance this passage seems to agree with 2 Nephi 25:23, but one of the basic principles of biblical hermeneutics (the interpretation of scripture) is that scripture within the Bible (and in LDS theology and scriptures, if it is true) cannot contradict itself. “After all we can do” includes loving our fellowmen and praying for those who regard us as their adversary. Romans 8:1. ☼ 2 Nephi 25:21–22: Wherefore, for this cause hath the Lord God promised unto me that these things which I write shall be kept and preserved, and handed down unto my seed, from generation to generation, that the promise may be fulfilled unto Joseph, that his seed should never perish as long as the earth should stand. May 4, 2020 23 For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do’ (2 Nephi 25:23). See quote from President Ezra Taft Benson, Institute Manual, 94. It is ironic that 2 Nephi 25:23 has often been used as ammunition by “grace only” believers who feel that the Book of Mormon somehow lessens or denies grace because it requires followers to do all the works they can do before grace can save. The Savior’s blood, His atonement, will save us, but only after we have done all we can to save ourselves by keeping His commandments. (2 Nephi 25:23–24, 26, 29) This sure knowledge of Christ, had by the Lehites, was tied to the bedrock of the personal testimonies of at least four prophets who had actually seen the Savior. Based on what Burton said, the phrase “after all we can do” as described in 2 Nephi 25:23 is a direct reference to “individual salvation,” also known as exaltation, eternal life, and godhood. “Elder B.H. Nephi’s statement “it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23) has been the source of much discussion among Latter-day Saints. He looked at me and smiled. “We’re saved by grace in spite of all we can do,” he responded. How important to the interpretation of . Ye shall not go after other Gods. Nephi put this principle in a tremendous orbit when he said, ‘For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do’ (2 Nephi 25:23). . I was interested in (and happy with) their use of 2 Ne. It is not. “THE LORD BLESSES US TO THE DEGREE WE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. Dieter F. Uchtdorf said: I wonder if sometimes we misinterpret the phrase “after all we can do.” We must understand that “after” does not equal “because.” Cited in The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, p. 186). [Arthur A. Bailey, "What Modern Revelation Teaches About Adam," in The Ensign, January 1998, pp. Come Unto Christ. 25:232 Nephi 25:23 to be a preposition of separation rather than a preposition of time. “We are saved by grace in pursuit of all we can do”—this doesn’t fit. Nephi tries to convince people to believe in God and be saved by his grace. 2 NEPHI 25:21 – 26:11 MESSAGE TO THE CHILRDEN OF LEHI 25:22 the nations who shall possess them shall be judged . There is an additional salvation that God has planned for his children. 2 Nephi 25:23–24, 27. What happens if the Spirit of the Lord ceases to strive with man? Spencer raises five excellent questions from the reading of 2 Nephi 25:23 that highlight the verse’s ambiguities and, consequently, its difficulty for interpretation. Reading the Book of Mormon Gospel Doctrine Lesson 9 reminded me of a talk I gave back when I was in high school. 2 Nephi 25:23. In this paper, I offer a theological interpretation of 2 Nephi 25:23 that is distinct from any other in the relevant literature. Thoughts? To walk after the flesh; to live after the flesh. In pursuit of, that is, moving behind, following; in search of. 2 Nephi 25:23 For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. Read the verses* 300. 2 Nephi 25:23-26. 2 Nevertheless, Jacob, my firstborn in the wilderness, thou knowest the greatness of God; and he shall consecrate thine a afflictions for thy gain. Doctrine and Covenants / Pearl of Great Price, Mormon Objections to Christian Evangelism, Teachings of the Presidents of the Church. Read v. 20 . This interpretation does not fit the English grammar of the 19th or even 21st centuries, but it also does not concur with the interpretations given by many different LDS authorities. (2 Nephi 25:17) 3. It denotes logical separateness rather than temporal sequence. . As Pres. This meaning fits the definition of time and is a natural meaning of this verse. Despite being so rich, they are not very kind to people. Cited in The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, pp. Many people think they need only confess that Jesus is the Christ and then they are saved by grace alone. Thoughts? 2 Nephi 25:26 by LDS Scripture of the Day | posted in: Book of Mormon | 0 And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins. James Faust, who served as a member of the First Presidency, was also quite clear in his interpretation of the phrase when he told a General Conference audience. Baptism the gate to the strait and narrow path. 1. Except for the atoning power, the redeeming power, of the Master, redeeming the world from the Fall, bringing us back into relationship with one of the Godhead, the Holy Ghost—were it not for His sacrifice for us, none of us would be worthy to enter in His presence, except we were bathed in His blood through repentance of all our sins and our faithfulness to the end (see 3 Nephi 27:19). In other words, each must do all he can to save himself form sin; then he may lay claim to the blessings of redemption by the Holy One of Israel, that all mankind may be saved by obedience to the law and ordinances of the gospel. I told him that the verse actually says “it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” “Well,” he quickly responded, “in the passage’s context, the word after really means in spite of.” He added that his mission president agreed with this interpretation. And behold, in thy childhood thou hast suffered afflictions and much sorrow, because of the rudeness of thy brethren. (2 Nephi 25:23–24, 26, 29) This sure knowledge of Christ, had by the Lehites, was tied to the bedrock of the personal testimonies of at least four prophets who had actually seen the Savior. 2 Nephi 25:23 in the Book of Mormon states: “it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” Many Mormons say this verse doesn’t teach that salvation is based on grace and works. We tend to focus on the last phrase “after all we can do” as the important part of this verse. That was also the spirit of Paul’s message: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9). Read the verses* 300. Based on what Burton said, the phrase “after all we can do” as described in 2 Nephi 25:23 is a direct reference to “individual salvation,” also known as exaltation, eternal life, and godhood. LDS 2 Nephi 25:23 Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Hammster, Aug 2, 2016. Shall Be As When God Overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah: In 2 Nephi 23:19-22 we find a prophecy of the destruction of Babylon. But redemption from individual sins depends upon individual effort, with each being judged according to his or her works. The Millenial day, then, becomes a day of song and praise to the great Jehovah-he who gave the law-he who would come and dwell in the midst of his people. Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged 2 Nephi 25:23 vs. Ephesians 2:8-9, bible, Book of Mormon, false doctrines, false prophets, Jesus, mormonism, Salvation by grace or works on 02/04/2012| Leave a Comment » Salvation by What? I showed her the argument made by Robinson and asked for her opinion. The name Jacob is explained as "supplanter" in the King James Bible of Genesis 27:36 (compare Genesis 25:23-26), but could just as easily be read "successor" or "replacement," since Jacob replaced Esau as firstborn and received the birthright and the blessing (see Genesis 25:29-34; 27:22-40). 2 Nephi 23:19-23 Babylon . But it doesn’t say that. Here is what she told me: After taking a college and graduate level grammar course, I’ll admit I had to google “preposition of separation,” but after reading up on it, I don’t think it means what he thinks it means. “The simple essence of all you need to know about the Atonement is to be found in the teachings of the great prophet Nephi when he said, ‘We labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do’ (2 Nephi 25:23). Isaiah 11:3. It may be regarded as the ‘Mormon’ contribution to views of the Atonement of Christ, for it is to be found no where else except in Mormon literature.’ The perfect relationship between the atoning grace of Christ and the obedient efforts of mankind is powerfully stated by Nephi: ‘We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do’ (2 Nephi 25:23). 2 Nephi 25:23-26. Not once have I found a general authority agreeing with the notion that “after all we can do” is the same as “in spite of all we can do,” as this missionary was telling me. Consider the other citations where Lee referenced this verse: “‘For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.’ (2 Nephi 25:23.) And a church manual states, “The phrase ‘after all we can do’ teaches that effort is required on our part to receive the fulness of the Lord’s grace and be made worthy to dwell with him” (True to the Faith: A Gospel Reference, 2004, p. 77). The knowlege of the Messiah will be preserved. 2 Nephi 25:23, of course, contains the famous verbal formula, “we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” Latter-day Saints of varying theological stripes frequently treat this formulation as providing a resolution of debates regarding grace and works, although the resolution they see the text as pointing toward varies. Such a stand, while sounding “almost biblical,” is still in opposition to both Ephesians 2:8-9 that was conveniently cited as well as interpretation of 2 Nephi 25:23 given by the missionary. 2 Nephi 25:23 in Literary and Rhetorical Context Daniel O. McClellan For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. At first glance this passage seems to agree with 2 Nephi 25:23, but one of the basic principles of biblical hermeneutics (the interpretation of scripture) is that scripture within the Bible (and in LDS theology and scriptures, if it is true) cannot contradict itself. Book Review: The Divine Gift of Forgiveness by Apostle Neil L. Andersen. Hey Friends! 2. Other leaders have agreed with Lee’s interpretation of the verse, including: Apostle David A. Bednar (after citing 2 Nephi 25:23): “Certainly, ‘we believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel’ (Articles of Faith 1:3)” (David A. Bednar, “Therefore They Hushed Their Fears,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 2015, p. 49). He cites 2 Nephi 25:23 as support for his assessment, but also 1 Nephi 13:40, in which the angel who asks Nephi, “Knowest thou the condescension of God?” (1 Nephi 11:16), repudiates the notion of a shared responsibility for salvation. A-A; A+; 2 Ne 22 though thou wast angry with me thine anger is turned away. Ellipsis in original). Why did most not look at the Brass serpent that would save them and what did the Brass serpent represent? 2 Nephi 2:19 Adam and Eve (Illustration): Chart: A Latter-Day Saint View of Adam. As we continue to study Nephi and Isaiah this week- there are several excellent topics for lessons. Misinterpreting this verse and changing its natural (and traditional) meaning only leads to confusion for those who aim is to understand what the Book of Mormon is saying. Deuteronomy 6:14. “Thus, the correct sense of ”2 Ne. Its walls were, for height and width, one of the wonders of the world. This meaning is apparent from the fact that none of us actually does all he can do (p. 125). 2 Nephi 31:5-12. As we talked, I referenced 2 Nephi 25:23. If the verse said “…we are saved by grace EVEN AFTER all we can do,” we’d have something to talk about. For instance, twelfth President Spencer W. Kimball introduced 2 Nephi 25:23 by writing this: One passage in the Book of Mormon, written perhaps with the same intent as Paul’s statement above—to stress and induce appreciate for the gracious gift of salvation offered on condition of obedience—is particularly enlightening (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 207. 2 Nephi 25:23-26. But all of these blessings are ours on one condition, and this is spoken of by Nephi, when he said: ‘For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.’ (2 Nephi 25:23.) Father Lehi the heavens open and “he saw One descending out of the midst of heaven, and he beheld that his luster was above that of the sun at noon-day” (1 Nephi 1:9). (2 Nephi 26:11) 5. Combine that truth with the love we feel for our children, our parents, our siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews, and many other people, and we have a powerful motivation to testify more frequently and in more different venues. “When you think about it, there is so much promised in the gospel for so little required on our part. 2 Nephi 22. This word often precedes a sentence, as a governing preposition. When it comes to support of “preposition of time,” the second definition seems to fit. “After all we can do” means leading chaste, clean, pure lives, being scrupulously honest in all our dealings and treating others the way we would want to be treated (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 354. Combine that truth with the love we feel for our children, our parents, our siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews, and many other people, and we have a powerful motivation to testify more frequently and in more different venues. Those are the best examples I could find that MIGHT fit the word “after”…but they don’t. Don’t you let anyone try to persuade you to any other doctrine than that. . 2 Nephi Chapter 25 « Previous Next » ... 2 Ne 25:23-30 . Nephi tries to convince people to believe in God and be saved by his grace. In 2 Nephi 25, Nephi prophesies of the fate of the Jews-their rejection of the Savior, their scatterings and scourgings, and their eventual repentance. “We are saved by grace…” I started. I was interested in (and happy with) their use of 2 Ne. Ellipsis in original). I was unaware that the church newsroom had doctrinal tidbits in there (thanks CV75 for pointing in that direction) and as I was browsing I came upon the entry for Grace. Doesn’t the book of James say that “faith without works is dead”? Hey Friends! I’m here to share my Note Sheet and Scripture Signs for 2 Nephi 11-25. Imagine you are an Israelite living during the time of Moses and the poisonous snakes. 2 Nephi 25:23-30 The Purpose of the Law of Moses. Math. 2 Nephi 25:30. notwithstanding, 2 Nephi 25:23 is a difficult text, and one that deserves close reading. We cannot be saved by grace alone, “for we know that it is by grace that we are saved after all we can do” (Ensign (Conference Edition), November 2001, p. 18). (2 Nephi 25:4) 2. 25:23 it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do . The idea that “after” means “in spite of” may very well have originated with BYU professor Stephen E. Robinson. “After all we can do” includes extending our best effort. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. ☼ 2 Nephi 25:23: For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. 20-27 2 Nephi 2:24 All Things Have Been Done in the Wisdom of Him Who Knoweth All Things. (2 Nephi 25:23, 26) There is no other way to be saved than through the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. I love 2 Nephi 25:23- 'That it is by Grace that we are saved'- such a great lesson for this week! After all, the Bible teaches that there is nothing a person can do to earn God’s favor, no matter how much effort is exerted. (25) 2 Nephi 25:23 – A comment. The way too simple / easy and represents Jesus Christ. For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. Robinson is correct that “none of us actually does all he can do.” This seems to be the crux of the matter and the reason why he wishes to change the meaning of the word “after.” When commentators have a doubt about the way a biblical verse ought to be understood, the original Greek and Hebrew can be studied to determine a passage’s meaning. For example, the ordinance of baptism is given us for the remission of sins, for entrance into the kingdom–a new birth; the gift of the Holy Ghost gives us the right to companionship with one of the Godhead; administration to the sick qualified the individual with faith for a special blessing; by paying our tithing, the windows of heaven may be opened unto us; by fasting and by praying our fast offerings, we are told that then we might call on the Lord and He will hear our cry and our call; celestial marriage promises us that family life will exist beyond the grave. 2 Nephi 25:2 Nephi admits that he has avoided teaching his people many things about the life among the Jews in Jerusalem – because of the wicked lifestyle of that culture. By his grace, we live and breathe. He is right, being saved from sin requires two things, accepting Christ (faith) and repenting of one’s sins. In imitation of; as, to make a thing after a model. And I agree with the same conclusion. To request a free subscription, please visit here. Unfortunately, the gold plates supposedly containing the Book of Mormon’s writings were said to be taken back by the angel Moroni, so it’s impossible to know the structure of the original “reformed Egyptian.” Thus, we are forced to make a judgment based on the English word “after” because this is all we have. Nephi glories in plainness—Isaiah’s prophecies will be understood in the last days—The Jews will return from Babylon, crucify the Messiah, and be scattered and scourged—They will be restored when they believe in the Messiah—He will first come six hundred years after Lehi left Jerusalem—The Nephites keep the law of Moses and believe in Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel. However, 2 Nephi 25:23 offers no support for the belief that a person is saved by grace “in spite of” one’s maximum effort. I was in high school quoted by itself in isolation ways they try to persuade you to any other than! 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